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the page above, we had the term "infinite way". Geri McDonald owns the
name "The Infinite Way®", not "infinite way". Could this be a
mistake of the attorney in demanding that we remove the term "infinite way"?
After all, there are many infinite ways. In addition to the keywords,
"infinite way", we also have the following keywords in our metatags,
"prayer, meditation, metaphysics, universal Truth, absolute Truth, alternative
healing, Bible truth, Christ consciousness, higher consciousness, does God exist, is there
a God, healing power, learn to meditate, new age, Unity, New Thought, Religious Science,
spiritual awakening, presence of God, Unity religion, loneliness, accidents, children,
relationships, worry, housing, finances, alcoholism, divorce, death, forgiveness, pain,
disease, illness, health, pregnancy, mental health, metaphysical teachings, Christianity,
Christian Science, healing, inspiration, illumination, spiritual understanding, spiritual
growth, mysticism, modern mystics, spiritual teacher, spiritual interpretations, Spiritual
counselor, spiritual advisor, spiritual guidance, direction, Robert Gupton, Gail
Gupton" |
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  This is a photo of the original reel to reel tape that was given to us by an
Infinite Way Practitioner, Julia Davidson in Atlanta, that we got the excerpt audio from
that played as an embedded audio file on this page. This audio was not downloadable
and played within 10 seconds after entering this page. Therefore, there was no tape
piracy as indicated by the attorney's letter.
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 Ms. Thelma G. (Geri) McDonald, Stepdaughter to Joel Goldsmith:
I believe the vicious attacks by your Lawyer John Titus on Robert Gupton and various other
websites is against all the teachings of Joel Goldsmith. This is nothing but pure greed,
maliciousness and against all Joel's
principles. If this is the future of "The Infinite Way", I want nothing to do
with it and will pass my feelings on to the thousands of other spiritually minded people
that I work and have friendships with.
I am disgusted by your actions.
If you care to comment on my thoughts, you have my e-mail address.
Kevin
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As a student of Joel Goldsmith for over
25 years, it disturbs me that your organization has shut down Mr. Gupton's audio at the
videographics site--the transmission of a single Joel Goldsmith lecture that I'm sure has
inspired
many.
While I understand your legal position, and I agreed with your position in the previous
squabble with Lorraine Sinkler, Mr. Gupton's transmission of the audio has had no
financial gain or motive. Moreover, it was a valuable
service that you could have set up yourselves--but failed to do so. From a purely
financial aspect, being able to hear one of Joel's tapes on the web, is more likely to
help than hurt your own tape sales, but inspiring students
to want more.
I'm tired of you hiding behind quotes from Joel on these matters: your are enforcing the
letter of the law as you see applicable for your financial gain, rather than representing
the spirit of Joel Goldsmith or the teachings
he presented, which come from a higher source.
You are making a mistake, and I don't think Joel would be happy about this, but I'm coming
to believe that it's only about money anyway. I am sorry for Joel and his students.
Michael McCarthy
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Aloha -
I suspected something was amock when I discovered that Lorraine Sinkler was
"dismissed" by Emma Goldsmith as editor of Infinite Way writings. I thought,
'WOW' what's this all about. She was SOOOOOO responsible for turning the spoken word into
the written word. I'm wondering if anything of substance could have been successfully
published without her and her sister [Valborg]. If you haven't read her book "A
Spiritual Odyssey" it might be worth your while to check it out. A compilation of her
letters to Joel over the span of their relationship is very interesting in that it
provides a comparison of the growth of a student who had direct access to Joel compared to
your own, or in my case, to a student who had no access except through his writings, and
no contact with any other Infinite Way students - a lone journey indeed.
And there were a couple of things I saw on the Infinite Way website that raised a red
flag. I kept thinking, "Joel would never have permitted this." At first I was
outraged and 'was going to do something about it!.' but then something said 'mind your own
business.' There was no devine calling to do anything.
It's been 40 - 45 years since I tripped over one of Joel's books and fell flat on my face
so to speak. I remember buying every book I could get my hands on at Kroch and Brentannos
in Chicago and being glued to those books for days and days and days overwhelmed and
uttering words like, 'yes! yes! this is it.' And over the decades I've died and been
reborn over and over again and again and again with no end in sight - thank God.
Well, after reading your website and the legal hassel, I'm sure you both have realized
that Ms. Geri is not enlightened and The Infinite Way has fallen into disarray. Ego and
truth simply don't mix. When enlightenment is there - nothing of an erroneous nature can
prevale - period!
What I can't figure out is why Joel didn't take the necessary steps to prevent The
Infinite Way from falling into the wrong hands. He seemed to be so determined not to let
happen what has actually happened. A simple document outlining how it should be handled
and placed in trust would have taken care of it. To let it pass down the line of
succession just doesn't sound like a Joel thing at all. But that is neither here nor there
- what's done is done. And who knows, maybe this is the way it should end. Opens the way
for truth to come forward in a different format.
One thing that I do find perplexing is the lack of his books in the stores I've been into.
Years ago when I first became aware of The Infinite Way, bookstores had shelves and
shelves and whole sections devoted to his writings. Now I'm lucky if I see one or two of
his books. And other greats like Fox, Trine, Hall, Nicoll. Some have disappeared
completely. Maybe I'm going into the wrong stores - who knows.
Lord only knows what will happen when Ms. Geri moves on. Probably will deteriorate even
further. But hey! truth will prevale and appear through another source when necessary. And
as Joel always said - probably in a better form then he was able to do. Although I think
he did a pretty good job. I've gone on too much. Blessing on your heads.
Aloha ahiahi E malama pono [Good evening and take care]
Donne
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Good Evening,
I just wanted to take a moment to commend you on your stand with the "Infinte Way
Tape Reproduction Center" and Geri Mac Donald. It is unfortunate that you along with
others using the Web to further spiritual understanding have been "attacked" in
the manner that has occurred. Because who you are shouts so loudly it then becomes a
karmic issue for the "attacker" and will unfold accordingly. You on the other
hand are freed and free to continue to express and share your en-light-ended consciousness
with those who come to drink and they will receive the water of life and light through
you. Continue to listen and do the work. It is right.
In loving oneness
Geoff
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Dear Bob and
Gail:
It appears that Geri has missed the boat on the teaching of Joel. She seems to be a bit
paranoid about Joel's teachings and the value of the tapes. I think we should feel sorry
for her and the staff for missing the gist of Joel's message. Some good old Goldsmith
meditation is called for here. She needs help and not pity.
I think Geri must have told the attorney what to say in the letter he sent you. I can't
imagine a lawyer using such convoluted logic. Your response to the attack on your website
is typical of the attack Geri has made on others that have contributed to sharing Joel's
work through the Internet. Joel is pleased with your efforts.
I support your approach to continue the work of Joel through the Internet. I know there
will be many others that will take up the message he gave the world. You have permission
to add this E-mail to your website.
Thank you with blessings,
John & Nona
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Dear Gail & Robert,
I just wanted to let you know how concerned I am about this latest litigious move by
Geri through her lawyer.
It seems inconceivable to me that a truly spiritual individual would resort to such a
worldly and material means to
obtain their end. How her lawyer must chuckle at the antics of these so-called spiritual
people as he pockets his fees.
I'm sure the New Testament teaches somewhere that the people of God are not to sue one
another and drag one
another into court (that the good news about Christ may not become a laughing stock among
the heathen).
For one person to say who may or may not use the term 'The Infinite Way' on a Web site or
some other publication
seems quite contrary to the very spirit of all Joel's teaching, as I understand it.
Also, I cannot see how this divisive action can be justified from any of Joel's writings.
Joel seemed to have a vision of a great blessing for the whole world -- something made
without human hands --
breaking out of the 'egg-shell' of The Infinite Way' as general spiritual consciousness
evolved. Only yesterday
I was listening to one of Joel's tapes when these prophetic words arrested my attention
...
"The day will come when this (activity of truth) will go on in the
world without the name 'Infinite Way', without Christian Science, because one of these
days people will be ready to understand that this isn't something that somebody owns, or
discovers or can transmit -- (but) that it is an activity of Christ in individual
consciousness." Joel S Goldsmith -- Tape 127 Kailua Study Group (1955)
I'm sure that time has now come and is evidenced by the rapidly growing number of
spiritual meditation groups, teachers of true Selfhood and publications on spiritual
enlightenment and 'Christ'-consciousness. One sees this in the emergence of contemporary
teacher/writers like Eckhart Tolle (The Power of Now). Often, I believe, the reason these
insightful beings can bring so much light to us today is because they stand on the
shoulders, so to speak, of giants like Joel and the other true mystics and seers of the
past.
The silly part about this sad and seemingly vindictive prohibition is that it is only
enforceable where American
law has jurisdiction. The Internet is vast, as you know, and how could Geri stop Web site
owners or book
publishers etc. outside the USA using the term 'The Infinite Way' if they wished to do so.
In the end, what is most important about this for us comes down to the 'rose by any other
name' principle.
By this I mean, that what mattered to Joel, and what also must matter to us is, that we go
on steadily
growing in our experience of conscious union with 'Christ' and then we will not need to
worry about minor
issues such as what this body of truth is called or by what name is given to the activity
of Infinite Being.
Please be assured of our loving support and oneness with you at this time and with all
those who walk this
mystic way. Remember ... all things work together for good .... must work together for
good ... cannot do
otherwise than work together for the good of those that love truth and are allowing that
truth to live through them.
Your Wayfaring friend,
Peter
Western Australia
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Dear Bob and Gail,
Yes I have been a student of THE INFINITE WAY since 1952.
I own every Infinite Way tape that is in the catalog.
I have not been very impressed with Geri McDonald and I have been thinking of not taking
the LETTER any more because whoever writes the LETTER does not know a thing about the I/W
My ownly reason I have subscribed to the LETTER is that I could see what all the students
that receive the LETTER what tape they are working with. Why should I read Geri McDonald
when I have the original message from Joel. I seldom study the Letter as each year I take
my copy to a print shop here in Fresno,.California and have the LETTER put into spiral
binding. I have every letter since 1952. I see what books sell for today and my hard bound
Infinite Way books such as 1957 LETTERS cost me only $3.50 and the book is hard bound
copy.
One of my friend e-mailed me information about your website. I am new to the computer as I
am 80 yers old and I am just now going to Adult school learning the computer. I have only
been on the Internet less than 3 months.
Yes, I still read each day a chapter from one of Joel's books as well as I listen to my
Joel tapes often all night long. My wife made her transiton in July 1998. We came into the
Infinite Way together in 1952. We were married for 50 years.
I would enjoy knowing other Infinite Way students so I can write to and tell about my 50
year as an Infinite Way student. I knew most of the original 5 teachers that Joel had. I
saw Joel only once speak when he came here to Fresno in 1960. Now you have my e-mail
address. My name is Jere Benet and I live at 3636 N. Wishon avenue in Fresno. California
93704.
Maybe some Infinite Way student would like to know me. I was in business for myself for 52
years as actually I am not retired totally as I am still a licensed barber. When I sold my
commercial property where my shop was located in the year 2000 I sold the property and
moved one room over here to my home. I have no sign and no business officially. I only
take those that have been with me before 1970. I retired just like Joel and never sought a
client and know that ALL RIVERS FLOW TO THE SEA BUT MY OWN WILL COME TO ME.
I think Geri McDonald is shooting the golden goose that laid the golden egg. When I heard
about this I just know there is no one her but GOD. ONLY GOD IS PRESENT. WHAT EVER TAKES
PLACE IN TIME OR SPACE IS "THIS WORLD" IN MY KINGDOM THERE IS NO TIME AND THERE
IS NO SPACE SO ACTUALLY IN TRUE THERE IS NOT SUCH PERSON ONLY THE INVISIBLE CHRIST SELF IS
HERE.
INFINITE BLESSING ARE SENT TO YOU FROM YOUR FRIEND IN FRESNO.. CALIFORNIA
JERE BENET IN FRESNO, CALIFORNIA
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| Dear Gail, I have been receiving your newsletter, which I
enjoy,and have read and studied the works of Joel Goldsmith for 30 +years. I have a
library of most of his books. Just recently I gave away all of the Unity books which I had
for the same reason as you stated in your most recent newsletter and perhaps it is time to
consider lightening up on the Goldsmith books as well. They are still however, in my mind,
like old friends of which are sometimes hard to part. Nevertheless the time often comes
when it is correct to do so. In regard to the letter from the attorney, Ananda, a
spiritual group in California , who teach and share the teachings of Yogananda, just won a
law suit which had been 12 years running claiming by the headquarters of Self Realization
Fellowship, that they had total rights to his works. It was decided that they did not. How
sad that this happens, but time and again after the founder is gone and the
"organization " takes over, the control issues emerge.
And that is all it is...control and fear. Neither Yogananda nor Joel Goldsmith would have
felt this way I am sure. If so, they would not be living their own teachings. Well, that's
the crux of the matter, the organizations are Not living the teachings and cannot for
after all an organization is impersonal. Only individuals can live the truth. Joel
Goldsmith never wanted an organization for very good reasons. He was a wise man who knew
what would happen. Nobody owns the Truth but they certainly do try don't they? Perhaps it
is time to teach The Truth in your own name, if you feel led to share the letter of the
law with others. As you said, it is now a part of you. The truth is the truth is the
truth...no matter under whose name it is. Or perhaps it should be under no name!!!
That is probably the safest route. Those who have ears to hear, let them hear, and they
will.
I, personally thought at one point in my life that I wanted to be a teacher of truth, but
was unable to find any avenue, in the way of a group or organization through which I could
teach that would not strangle it, arrange it, codify it , etc. So, I decided to just live
it. To Be It. And So Be It.
I often still think it would be nice to have a more formal way to share with others, but
as of yet I don't know what that would be. No one has approached me lately to hear what I
have to say!!! HA HA.
I totally shy away from anything that has a teacher/student orientation for we are all
both.
Anyway, I do like to share and do when I can. Like right now, I just wanted to share my
thoughts with you. You are someone I would like to know.
With Love,
Pat Saienga
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Dear Bob and Gail
Many thnks for the newsletters
I am so sad that the IW organisation has gone so far from Joels teaching, and
that you, who have done so much to carry on the spirit of the IW have been
'ordered' to cease doing so.
Never mind! Perhaps this is all in right ordering. Maybe the True spirit of
Joels teaching is that it should carry fprward under new names, once the
Spirit has revealed itself and authorised the new work. While there\ are many
who are using the IW name, there are also many who bringing the spirit of
Oneness under different names to those who seek. It seems to me as though the
IW ORGANISATION (which in fact is an illusion as it is not authorised by the
Spirit) is only concerned with finance. How sad!!! Of course, the same
problem arose with Lorraine.
I have been teaching the IW from my own consciousness, and working as a
practitioner within it, but will now cease to use the name, though I will
still recommend those of Joels original books (IW, Contemplative Life and Art
of Spiritual Healing, Parenthesis and Thunder) which have inspired me the
most. I wait on the Spirit to bring a new name - or to continue as a nameless
teaching.
Thank you for all you are doing
All Blessings
Jim Pym
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I was
disappointed not to be able to listen to the Joel Goldsmith audio tape, but the reason was
clear. It is unfortunate that someone has the tapes based on man's law ... when Joel
Goldsmith himself stated that we should never use the legal system in any way ... Jesus
said the same thing.
Thank you for this wonderful web site.
Rev.Henry Lee Bates - www.revbates.tv - Palm Springs, CA
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I have not explored a great deal on your
site as I went through the
letters and the legal mess first. This in itself was enough to connect with
you. It is so sad that the "good" in the wrong hands, becomes "bad". I
was
somewhat shocked by the so called peacemakers when their demonstrations
turned so violent. I do not understand, they are against war but they are
vicious and brutal even to the horses to get their point across. So now, in
the name of Spirituality, this person has lashed out at you and the good
that you do , because you are doing it with "her" product. It is sad again
when greed takes over the real goal here. She wants to spread the good news
but she wants to be paid for it. Little does she know she has cut off her
nose to spite her face and as long as her intentions are where they are,
(the wrong place) she will never gain the true wealth of peace and
happiness. She is looking for material wealth, recognition, and success to
fill a void that cannot be filled with these means. It is ONLY when you
"GIVE" that you really get paid. The rewards for giving freely way exceed
the wages for working and selling for gain. Thank you for what you stand for
and what you are giving. I can be a strong supporter of that.
Sincerely,
Karen Sides , Salisbury, NC
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word: 3:03AM THURSDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2002 I believe the real reason that The Infinite Way office chose
to use human methods to silence Joel's tape and threaten us is that I made the statement
that "one day you will graduate and put down Joel's books and tapes and have your own
illumination", as Joel himself expressed to his students.
I feel I must tell those of you who understand what is happening that after some time in
meditation, I realized that what I foretold Gail is actually happening. You see,
early this year, I wanted to take off everything mentioning Joel, as I felt it was time to
do my own thing. Gail told me not to do that because so many are being helped by it.
I agreed and ended by saying that it would have to be taken off by someone else.
I have wanted to finish my book and reveal what has been in my consciousness for
some time. Time and money always seemed to stop that. But now, because of VERY
surprising business increases in the past two months, I now have the money and time
starting after Christmas to complete my written work. These series of surprising
events have awakened me to what did just seem like a daydream. This is very
important and what events happen during this time could be no worse than the open heart
surgery I went through in April of this year. Life has changed in such a dramatic
way that the glimpse I have of what I am to do has the human Bob Gupton having false
visions of impossibility. But upon reflection, I have never believed in that word
and my life experience and Realization have put the machinery of my body and mind to task,
embarking upon Truth that is possible to understand by everyone without clouds, doubts,
fears, needs, or reason.....just pure Realization. Geri was the intervening factor
and may continue to cause what would seem like trouble but that is the disguise. The
truth embodied in everyone's consciousness is what Joel revealed and, continue as it may,
in the consciousness of someone willing to do what humanly he doesn't really desire the
responsibility of.
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Joel to Students
Teacher and Teaching
Here is a copy of a letter Joel sent out Jan. 27, 1964. It will explain to
you how he felt about this work and inheritance.
"Dear Friend:
I am under divine orders to the extent that there shall be NO INFINITE WAY
ORGANIZATION, and for seventeen or more years of Infinite Way activity I
have had to be very, very alert because so many attempts have been made to
organize in ways that students did not realize would LEAD to organization.
At this time I wish to bring this to your attention: If you have a study
center or a tape group, and if you have furniture, or furnishings, or
Infinite Way tapes and books, please MAKE A WILL and leave these to your
estate and not to any successor. You can stipulate in your will that your
executor can offer any of these things for sale to anyone who wishes to buy
them and, if you like, you can even designate a very low price in order to
make others able to buy them and continue the work if they wish, but in
this way you will be insuring that there is no succession, therefore no
organization, therefore no legal entity.
To have an Infinite Way Study Center is the demonstration and the activity
of the CONSCIOUSNESS of an individual, and no one can inherit this from
you. And no one can succeed to a tape group you have established, because
this is also the externalization of what you have established in your
CONSCIOUSNESS. But if you have a stock of tapes or books available,
whoever it is who wishes to purchase them and undertake the activity makes
it an individual activity of their own.
In kingdoms there is a succession, and it is for this reason that there are
no kingdoms left on earth. Even in England it is really only a form, and
the reason is this: No son and no daughter of a king or queen can inherit
their parents' consciousness. It is for this reason that no provision is
made for a President to hand down his office to a son, and so it is in
business. How many fathers have tried to hand down their businesses to
their children, and how few have succeeded. And in spiritual matters this
is even more true.
As the leader of an Infinite Way center or an Infinite Way tape group,
please understand that you cannot confer your demonstration upon anyone
else. Therefore, you will never train anyone to succeed you.
Aloha"
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